Binning a wiki page leaves what was shown from its card still showing #996

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opened 2026-10-01 17:45:18 +00:00 by claude-bot · 1 comment

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2026-10-01 17:45:18 +00:00

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Noticed while fixing #990 (binned pages in the campaign export).

What happens. A GM puts a page's card on the shelf and shows it to the table. Later the GM bins the page. The reveal stays: shelf_service.list_reveals still lists it for every member, with the page's table title and the text that was shown. Only "Take it back" removes it. (A handout reveal of a binned page is already dropped from what players see; this is the card reveal.)

Why it may be wrong. Binning a page is how a GM takes it away from the table. A player who can no longer open the page can still read what was shown from it on the session's "Shown at the table" list.

Why it may be right. What was shown at the table is a record of the session. The page being binned later doesn't change what happened that evening, and the summary may refer to it.

Options.

(a) Leave it: what was shown stays shown until taken back.
(b) Binning a page takes back its live reveals, and restoring the page does not bring them back (the GM shows it again).
(c) Hide the reveal while the page is in the bin, and show it again if the page is restored.

No recommendation strong enough to act on without the owner; (c) is the most forgiving. #990 exports the reveal as the table saw it, to match the source, and would follow whichever is chosen.

Refs #990, #731.

Noticed while fixing #990 (binned pages in the campaign export). **What happens.** A GM puts a page's card on the shelf and shows it to the table. Later the GM bins the page. The reveal stays: `shelf_service.list_reveals` still lists it for every member, with the page's table title and the text that was shown. Only "Take it back" removes it. (A *handout* reveal of a binned page is already dropped from what players see; this is the card reveal.) **Why it may be wrong.** Binning a page is how a GM takes it away from the table. A player who can no longer open the page can still read what was shown from it on the session's "Shown at the table" list. **Why it may be right.** What was shown at the table is a record of the session. The page being binned later doesn't change what happened that evening, and the summary may refer to it. **Options.** - (a) Leave it: what was shown stays shown until taken back. - (b) Binning a page takes back its live reveals, and restoring the page does not bring them back (the GM shows it again). - (c) Hide the reveal while the page is in the bin, and show it again if the page is restored. No recommendation strong enough to act on without the owner; (c) is the most forgiving. #990 exports the reveal as the table saw it, to match the source, and would follow whichever is chosen. Refs #990, #731.

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2026-10-01 18:54:23 +00:00

Campaign export carries prep, arcs and the shelf, and what is in the bin stays out (#830, #990) #998

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2026-10-01 19:24:05 +00:00

[Privacy] A wiki page in the bin is exported, and comes back live on import #990

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2026-10-01 20:40:38 +00:00

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Closing with no change, on the owner's answer to Q137 (X3), 2026-10-01: (a). To be recorded as D265.

Leave it: what was shown at the table stays shown until taken back.

"Shown at the table" is a record of the evening. Binning a page stops players opening the page; a card already shown from it stays in the session's list until a GM presses Take it back. That is how main behaves today, so nothing is built.

One consequence carried into #1009 (binned pages travelling in an export, Q134): a reveal is not suppressed because its page is binned.

**Closing with no change, on the owner's answer to Q137 (X3), 2026-10-01: (a).** To be recorded as D265. > Leave it: what was shown at the table stays shown until taken back. "Shown at the table" is a record of the evening. Binning a page stops players opening the page; a card already shown from it stays in the session's list until a GM presses Take it back. That is how main behaves today, so nothing is built. One consequence carried into #1009 (binned pages travelling in an export, Q134): a reveal is not suppressed because its page is binned.

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2026-10-01 20:40:45 +00:00

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2026-10-01 20:48:26 +00:00

Record D254–D269, the owner's answers of 1 October (#737) #1012